How Mens Fashion Marketing Gets it All Wrong- (Or Why Men Need Veggies)

This is a great article  and Douglas Crets, has really hit the nail on the head. Men really do not know what works for them from a fashion perspective. And this is why I created Veggies. These are pants, designed by a man for men. Veggies, are about classic, timeless comfort and fashion; It is the essence of the Veggies experience.

How Men’s Fashion Marketing Gets It All Wrong

BY Expert Blogger Douglas  Crets | 08-29-2011 | 4:09 PM

This blog is written by a member of our expert blogging community and expresses that expert’s views alone.
The whole point of the shopping experience is to pick out something you love, take it home, and wear it to the place you want to wear it.A man wears a suit, or a pair of jeans, or a certain type of leather jacket because the cloth, the fabric, the cut and the draping says something about him that cannot be expressed in language. Fashion is a multi-billion dollar enterprise in substituting language with the essence and the form of a person so that others can understand him for what he is.But Chicago-based fashion expert Constance Dunn, author of Practical Glamour, says that something is missing in the modern man’s lexicon, mostly because his personal style language has been crafted and manipulated by media and articulated in most cases by women, who feel more comfortable being the Oracle of Delphi when it comes to what fashion means for a man.”Men don’t really sit there and think about it,” Dunn says. “Women do it much more, because they are socialized to do it. Men are very strategic, typically. They are very good with strategy, but this is not an area they have put forth putting forth an identity at all.”Men’s mass fashion-identity crisis, she says, isn’t their fault. Instead, she blames faulty marketing.

“What you see a lot is there is a crisis of male identity. You see men with grey in their hair and they are still wearing Vans sneakers and long skateboarding shorts. They are keeping this identity,” Dunn says. “Couture ads are so far off the mark for most men, there is not a strong message. There is not a middle road of an attractive man wearing an ensemble that is very easy to put together and is accessible. That’s what is missing from the media messaging.”

Read on for the rest of our interview.

Douglas Crets: What is missing in a man’s self-analysis as he shops for luxury goods, lifestyle brands and things he might need to accentuate his life? 

Constance Dunn: Men have not been trained or socialized to be self-analytic when it comes to choosing personal products that will best serve them. A man will rarely have a clear sense of which shades flatter his particular hair, skin and eye combination, for instance. Or know which silhouettes optimize or visually correct his physique. Few men have etched out a personal brand, or given much thought to the specific characteristics in his garments and grooming that help him present his most attractive and authentic self to the world.

There is a great deal of indecision that surrounds most men when they hit the mall or department store, and this makes shopping for such items anything but a fun or satisfying affair.

Contrast this with women, who are socialized from early on to love shopping for shoes, clothes and grooming products. Shopping is often a social event where women not only bond with each other, but offer a functional role to each other by providing feedback on what looks best. Likewise, magazines and television shows offer a steady stream of information to women on what to wear and how to wear it.

What do men have? An occasional blurb in a magazine on how to tie a Windsor knot or work a suit like George Clooney. Almost nothing that is directly relevant or useful to the everyday man.

What role do marketing staff play in making this easier for men? What makes it difficult right now? Is it a problem of not having the right information or not having enough choice?

There is plenty of choice out there in terms of clothing, shoes and personal care products for men–and a dearth of practical information on how to select and use them.

Since most male consumers have a deficit of knowledge in this arena, they tend to buy by default, reaching for those items they’ve “always worn” are “comfortable,” or “look kind of cool, I guess.” Hence, there are far too many smart and dignified males out there practically living in T-shirts, hoodies, sneakers and jeans. As a gal who loves a nicely dressed man, I happen to think it’s a darn shame.

Are men given mixed signals in the media messaging for men’s brands? Can they rely on outside perceptions in media to make strong choices about personal styling and branding? 

No. The message of many men’s brands is clear: image. I understand the utility of such a message when it comes to a brand like Abercrombie & Fitch, which sells to teens and young adult males access to the fantasy of being a leanly muscular, square-jawed dude draped with bikini-topped lasses.

When it comes to adult males, however, there needs to be more substance-based media messaging coming from men’s brands. A bit of image, of sizzle, is nice, but I believe men would appreciate having the fog lifted, or at least thinned a bit, when it comes to choosing their garment and grooming products. The original Dockers messaging is a classic for a reason. The messaging clearly and quickly communicated that here are these pants that will look and feel good, are accessible in terms of price and worn by many other completely respectable men in your town.

Dove’s new line of men’s personal care products, Men+Care, smartly takes a substance-based approach. The tagline is “Be comfortable in your own skin” and the messaging features unfussy self-care information and men that are accessible and good-guy solid.

What are the aims and goals of men choosing in this market?

Men wish to purchase quality items that will optimize their overall look, and at a fair price. It’s that simple. There is far less fantasy involved in men’s grooming and style choices than there is in women’s. For most women, a purse is not just a purse; it’s the projection of a lifestyle.

There is also a growing want among men to differentiate themselves from other men, albeit safely. A desire to reveal something unique about who they are in an increasingly tech-crammed and walls-up world. Plus, these days there is a certain utility in using our presentation to cut to the chase about who we really are, especially since we need to cognitively process more data than ever.

What would you change in the marketing of men’s products to men?

Make the marketing more substance-based and informative. Men want it, they can handle it and they will benefit greatly from it. Call me a simpleton, but when you look your most attractive and authentic, you can’t help but feel better, and of course you perform better. The companies that help men get there in their everyday lives, and in a cost-effective way, will reap many rewards for doing so.

I read recently that the Old Spice campaign was really targeting women friends of men, or girlfriends. Why do you think they were were doing this, and what does it say about the branding strategies that agencies choose to get men to shop for things that men need?

Old Spice is sagely targeting women because they provide a great service to men choosing in this market–they reduce or eliminate indecision. Women do this by either aiding purchases or making the purchases directly. I had lunch today with a male friend, a bachelor who is a smart and successful professional also known for being pretty adrift on the style front. Droopy khakis, tent-sized shirts and scuffed sensible shoes are the norm. He will tell you himself that he has no idea what to buy when he goes to clothing stores. Not knowing what to do, by the way, is not a welcome feeling for most men, hence their widespread lack of enthusiasm for shopping. Today he looked quite dapper, and in a thoroughly fitted yet at-ease way. No surprise, it turns out the bachelor has a new lady in his life. Judging by the volume of clothing and accessories she has purchased for him, and the care she has taken in selecting them, it’s serious.

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Learning about the Veggies Man

The other day I got a call from a recent purchaser of Veggies.  He started off by explaining to me that he really loved the idea of Veggies when he read about them on our website, and felt they were exactly what he had been looking for . He went on to say that most pants really are not that comfortable and he had been on a ‘quest’ of sorts to find that elusive product.  I thought to myself ‘ this is great, exactly the type of customer we are targeting at Veggies’.

Then he said , that he was having trouble with his Veggies, they did not seem to be the right size, and they wouldn’t stay on his hips, and he was not really sure how they worked- and because of that he might have to return them .  I explained that of course, he  was free to return Veggies for  full refund but first we should try to see if his problems were solvable. So, I walked him through the process of wearing Veggies, I explained how the waist is much larger than a regular pair of pants because the idea is to tighten the drawstring and create the exact fit you require. He said, yes, he understood, but when he pulled the drawstring tight, the pants bunched up around the waist band and that was unattractive. So, I explained how I understood that did happen , however with a bit of manipulation you could spread that gather out and create a very pleasing waist band effect.  He was pleased with my explanations, and told me he was going to keep his Veggies.

And then he said something that caught my attention. He said, that Veggies were really a ‘crossover pant’ , part lounge type pyjama pant and part normal every day pant. This got me to thinking about a number of things. First of all, you will see in the near future a video feature on the home page, explaining in depth how one wears a pair of Veggies, and what to expect and what not to expect. Second, I have begun to think of Veggies as a different category than pants, I wish I had a name for this category, but for now ‘crossover’ will have to do.

The bottom line is, wearing Veggies is a unique experience and it may actually take a bit of getting used to ….. a subtle paradigm shift, but once you are there you will become a convert to the ‘ crossover’ experience.

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Veggies Growing Pains Pt.2- Buying Organic Cotton

Veggies are advertised as being made of organic cotton. It is true, as I carefully researched various manufacturers and chose a local company that had an excellent reputation to buy my organic cotton from. After that I did not give the origin of my material much thought, until the day one of my customers asked me -”How did I know for sure that my cotton was indeed organic?”  ” Did I have some form of certification? ”

I attempted to contact the wholesaler I had purchased from, but found they had gone out of business, and there was no way to reach them. This created a couple of dilemmas. First, I had no proof that my Veggies were actually organic and though I knew it to be true, my word was just not going to cut in the increasingly competitive world of organic clothing. The second problem was a simple matter of supply . The pants were selling and I knew I had to make a new order soon, but without a material , there were no Veggies!

I knew I had to solidify my material supply line to move forward as a business, so I delved into the murky and fascinating world of purchasing off shore. I contacted companies, in India, China,  Pakistan, and Turkey, requesting organic cotton of a specific weight and color, a low minimum order quantity, and of course – organic, with certification. It took me a few weeks of emails, and samples, but I found my company in mainland China, and I place my first order for organic cotton. About 6 weeks later the product arrived on my doorstep and the certificate- which is called a GOTS certificate arrived by email from the manufacturer. I feel much better now, that I have the proof — Veggies are indeed made of Organic Cotton, and though technically they are probably a twill — I like to think of them as denim!

 

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Veggies- Growing Pains and Pleasures-part 1

Veggies Pants has quietly passed its first official anniversary in business, and though we did not break any sales records in our debut, men around the world are finding out about Veggies and we are learning about the men who want and need to wear our pants.  Launching Veggies in the fashion community, has been one of the puzzles that we have dealt with in the last year. It would be great if there had been some sort of instant buzz, which would have generated  word of mouth, or maybe some sort of viral luck because person A told person B and then voila !, or failing those two a hefty  print and media campaign , would have been helpful.

We did take a foray into SEO , and have had quite a bit of fun working with our India based partners, Cogniter Technologies. They are a good company, and have helped get Ear Gear ranked on Google and month by month , more people have been running across the Veggies website, and this has lead to inquires and sales. Another method  that was tried was simply giving away pants to people who might give Veggies a promotional boost, or even might consider carrying them in their store , whether it virtual or bricks and mortar. This proved to be a bit of a bust in terms of strategy and we have essentially discontinued this concept.

The good news is that one year later I feel like I have a better understanding of my pants, the market, and what steps to take next.  I also am more convinced than ever that Veggies Man is out there , waiting for his first pair of Veggies. Our job is to let him know we are  here !

 

 

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Fashion Formality – How what we wear has changed through the decades

The other day I came across this article Fashion Formality, where Frank Lopez describes the change that has occurred in the way people dress , a change that has accelerated considerably in the last 50 years. What is interesting about Lopez’s observations is that he essentially makes the point that individual style has been taken over by the corporations and branded images that we buy in a futile attempt to obtain some sort of individuality , that of course is impossible to obtain when one is dealing with a mass marketed product.  I had never quite thought of this fashion evolution quite in the same way that Lopez has, but I have always had a bit of a sick feeling as slipped on my Roots sweat pants and tops that are literally covered in the aforementioned company’s logo. Now, I think I know why!

So how does Veggies fit in within this fashion spectrum? Eseentially from my perspective, Veggies , though they are a brand, actually allow the wearer to express an element of individuality.  Veggies say, style is an illusion, something that comes and goes, what is really important is comfort, and quality.

http://www.fresnocitycollegerampage.com/mobile/fashion-formality-1.2224945

Fresno city College website

Article by Frank lopez

“Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months.” – Oscar Wilde

If you have ever gazed upon photographs and films that documented the first 60 years of the 20th century, you will notice that most people dressed formally whenever out in public.Men wore ties and suits most all of the time and women would dress in identical length dresses and skirts.  Nobody wore tennis shoes unless they were playing tennis or basketball, opting to wear leather dress shoes everywhere they would go. Photographs of New York City in the early 1950s show crowds of people dressing the same and adjourning the same haircut. Aesthetic presentation of the self was considered crucial for a successful social life. Dressing snappy and being classy was a rule.By the mid 1960s the Baby Boomers were becoming young adults and were looking for self-actualization and identity. The greatest generation had coddled and supported their baby boomer children in an era of economic wealth and independence. The counter-culture did not want to be a part of the established order or its ” square” parents. Young people wanted to be proud individuals, and they wanted to express themselves and their own unique individuality. There was more preoccupation with the self than there was with other people. The United States was in a state of upheaval. There was the escalation of the war in Vietnam, the Civil Rights Movement, student protests, drug use, and free love shaking the nation and the young people questioning the system.  Young people started wearing colorful flamboyant clothing and dressed in any way they wished in order to try and express themselves.The 70s brought a generation of people with the new pursuit of self-fulfillment that led culture critic Tom Wolfe to label them the ” Me Generation” . Gone were the crowds of men in suits and short haircuts and women with tailored hair and short slim dresses.People were not as preoccupied with how they presented themselves to the world as much as they were preoccupied with accepting and loving their self. The workplace, where everyone used to wear suits, accommodated with the times and started to allow people to dress in a ” work casual” fashion, and now, only people in high sector jobs wear suits all the time.It was becoming more acceptable to simply put on a t-shirt, some jeans, a pair of tennis shoes and just walk out the door. Social etiquette was not considered as important as it had been just a decade before.The baby boomers grew up and started having children of their own. The age of self-fulfillment birthed the age of entitlement. The children of the boomers took their independence for granted, and this has inflated independence into celebrated narcissism.Members of the age of entitlement don’ t feel the need to have accomplishments to feel good about their selves; self-esteem is innate in them. The key to their self-esteem is to have set standards low enough that meeting them will not require too much work. One does not dress up for their own comfort or satisfaction, they dress up for how they wish to be perceived by other people. Unfortunately the aphorism, ” the clothes don’ t make the man” , is not entirely true. The fashion changes of a society reflect the type of society we are.It is perfectly common for someone to go about town and conduct his personal matters dressed in nothing but pajamas and slippers. This can reflect how accepting our society is in regards to fashion and also how lazy it has become when it comes to self presentation. In our current society, one which is a mediated society preoccupied with fame, glamour, and irrelevance, many young people today are using their clothing to advertise their own uniqueness to the world. A trend that has been taking hold for the last 25 years is the amount of branded logos and imagery on shirts.In the past clothing was decorated with patterns and colors, now however, there is various images that people adjourn on their clothing for some sort of desired statement. Independence is now something that is bought from corporate clothing companies.A  t-shirt with a corporate logo symbolizes a nation that pays to advertise a certain lifestyle with the decoration of cloth. People buy these shirts for a declaration of individualism that they believe a mass produced object will attain. It is a perfect allusion to how America is proud of its selfish consumer culture. There is so many social identities that can be bought with a variety of chain stores catering to a very certain and specific clique. The irony is that the people are struggling for self expression through clothing when they are buying manufactured clothing, in turn, buying manufactured rebellion and individualism. I do not expect society to return to one where everyone dresses formally out in public, however, I can see a society where more members dress in more flamboyant fashions to gain a larger sense of distinction in this populated earth that is drowned in trivial information and concepts. Fashion will change along and reflect the type of society that we are and what we are preoccupied with.

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The High Price Of Cheap Clothing

This is a an interesting article, as it discusses the trend back to quality in clothing. As part of our environmental awakening people are beginning to make choices to have clothes that may be more expensive in the short run, but are durable, and will stay in their wardbrobe for years to come. Veggies Pants is definitely part of that sustainable fashion movement .Read the article here -http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/25/idUS194530777620110525

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Veggies in H&C and other news!

If by chance you  have read the Veggies in the News section  you will know that as of fall 2010  Veggies began being carried by Hemp and Company , a high end hemp and organic clothing store on Government St. in downtown Victoria.  Getting into H&C  ,was a happy coincidence that was precipitated by a family trip we had taken last summer, which first took us to Prince Rupert in northern BC, and then on to Vancouver island and finally to Victoria. There, Sian who is a close friend of my wife , took Assunta( my wife) to Hemp and Company  and being the great salesperson that she is, Assunta  did an impromptu cold call, and got the store manager to take a look at the Veggies website. The manager immediately became quite excited by Veggies, and much to my surprise a couple of hours later I was sitting in the back area of Hemp and Company having quite an extensive meeting with owners Bill and Linda.  They both examined the pants, pronounced them of good quality ,unique in that they were made for men and expressed a desire to see them in hemp( which we decided we would look at sometime in the future). Within a couple of days of our meeting, I had received an  initial order of Veggies for their store.Hemp and Co

The good news is , that the ‘ice has been broken’  and Veggies are now, so to speak, out there in the market place, competing against the thousands of other brands trying to make a name for themselves in a clothing market that is chock full of contenders for the consumer’s clothing dollars. For me, it is a good sign, this acceptance by H&C . After the many years of work that were put into bringing Veggies to the market, to have one of our target type stores see the value and be willing to invest in Veggies, is gratifying to say the least.  It is also excellent from the point of view of credibility. With this endorsement from Hemp and Company I have approached 3 other retailers, 1 in Canada and 2 in the USA, and at this writing Veggies are being evaluated for inclusion in their spring clothing lineup.

This is an important point in the development of the Veggies brand. If Veggies can gain credibility and favor as a men’s pant  while competing directly, head to head with the plethora of other men’s pants out there, I can begin to consider investing more capital and energy into Veggies. Read More »

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The Launch of Veggies

Finally everything is in readiness for the actual launch of Veggies pants. When I say actual launch, I mean the real job of bringing my pants to market, selling them. The pants themselves were manufactured some months ago; the website has been online for over a year- part of our strategy to gain a better position on Google; and all the little details such a business cards, packaging, shipping etc. are long dealt with. But, the actual nuts and bolts marketing, the work that needs to done to make Veggies a reality is just beginning.Veggies Wear wooden tag

From the very start this has been a project that I have been passionate about, and one that has taken the better part of 5 years to bring to a reality. To create what I considered perfect execution of my vision of drawstring pant that could be worn for casually for pleasure and business n has involved at one time or another 4 different sewers, a pattern that was revised at least a dozen times and that is to say nothing of time and effort spent sourcing and choosing zippers, buttons, grommets, the actual drawstring itself. In addition to the aforementioned work there were countless other details and decisions to be made regarding Veggies such as the placement of belt loops, depth and width of pockets, thickness of the waistband and the quality, weight, color and type of fabric. Read More »

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Confessions of an Anti Fashionista

Mark Rosal of VeggiesWearI am really the last person you would expect to end up in the fashion business. I have actually spent my whole life ignoring fashion trends, I hate to shop for clothing, and as my wife will tell you, I do have my own sense of style but it really consists of wearing comfortable clothing as much of the time as possible. I actually find the whole fashion scene somewhat ridiculous– you know, the endless babble about what colors are hot this season, and how men’s pointed toe shoes are really so last year!  The most amusing aspect of  fashion to me, is how the fashion trends recycle; I believe in my 50 odd years on the planet I have seen the mini skirt come and go twice for sure- no wait maybe it has been three times! I never did get it, and I probably never will. However being a live and let live sort of guy I get it that fashion and clothing are like air and water to some,  and everybody is allowed their own passions and obsessions as far as I am concerned.

Strangely enough it is my anti fashionista stance combined with my entrepreneurial spirit that has led me to produce Veggies- pants, that I modestly claim , are the most comfortable pants in the universe! Actually the tag line comes from my marketing and branding reading — gotta give people something to remember your product by; and nothing like an extreme claim to catch people’s attention. I guess for me the bottom line is that in my opinion no company has really produced a pant that does justice to the drawstring genre. Read More »

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