The other day I got a call from a recent purchaser of Veggies. He started off by explaining to me that he really loved the idea of Veggies when he read about them on our website, and felt they were exactly what he had been looking for . He went on to say that most pants really are not that comfortable and he had been on a ‘quest’ of sorts to find that elusive product. I thought to myself ‘ this is great, exactly the type of customer we are targeting at Veggies’.
Then he said , that he was having trouble with his Veggies, they did not seem to be the right size, and they wouldn’t stay on his hips, and he was not really sure how they worked- and because of that he might have to return them . I explained that of course, he was free to return Veggies for full refund but first we should try to see if his problems were solvable. So, I walked him through the process of wearing Veggies, I explained how the waist is much larger than a regular pair of pants because the idea is to tighten the drawstring and create the exact fit you require. He said, yes, he understood, but when he pulled the drawstring tight, the pants bunched up around the waist band and that was unattractive. So, I explained how I understood that did happen , however with a bit of manipulation you could spread that gather out and create a very pleasing waist band effect. He was pleased with my explanations, and told me he was going to keep his Veggies.
And then he said something that caught my attention. He said, that Veggies were really a ‘crossover pant’ , part lounge type pyjama pant and part normal every day pant. This got me to thinking about a number of things. First of all, you will see in the near future a video feature on the home page, explaining in depth how one wears a pair of Veggies, and what to expect and what not to expect. Second, I have begun to think of Veggies as a different category than pants, I wish I had a name for this category, but for now ‘crossover’ will have to do.
The bottom line is, wearing Veggies is a unique experience and it may actually take a bit of getting used to ….. a subtle paradigm shift, but once you are there you will become a convert to the ‘ crossover’ experience.




How Mens Fashion Marketing Gets it All Wrong- (Or Why Men Need Veggies)
This is a great article and Douglas Crets, has really hit the nail on the head. Men really do not know what works for them from a fashion perspective. And this is why I created Veggies. These are pants, designed by a man for men. Veggies, are about classic, timeless comfort and fashion; It is the essence of the Veggies experience.
How Men’s Fashion Marketing Gets It All Wrong
BY Expert Blogger Douglas Crets | 08-29-2011 | 4:09 PM
“What you see a lot is there is a crisis of male identity. You see men with grey in their hair and they are still wearing Vans sneakers and long skateboarding shorts. They are keeping this identity,” Dunn says. “Couture ads are so far off the mark for most men, there is not a strong message. There is not a middle road of an attractive man wearing an ensemble that is very easy to put together and is accessible. That’s what is missing from the media messaging.”
Read on for the rest of our interview.
Douglas Crets: What is missing in a man’s self-analysis as he shops for luxury goods, lifestyle brands and things he might need to accentuate his life?
Constance Dunn: Men have not been trained or socialized to be self-analytic when it comes to choosing personal products that will best serve them. A man will rarely have a clear sense of which shades flatter his particular hair, skin and eye combination, for instance. Or know which silhouettes optimize or visually correct his physique. Few men have etched out a personal brand, or given much thought to the specific characteristics in his garments and grooming that help him present his most attractive and authentic self to the world.
There is a great deal of indecision that surrounds most men when they hit the mall or department store, and this makes shopping for such items anything but a fun or satisfying affair.
Contrast this with women, who are socialized from early on to love shopping for shoes, clothes and grooming products. Shopping is often a social event where women not only bond with each other, but offer a functional role to each other by providing feedback on what looks best. Likewise, magazines and television shows offer a steady stream of information to women on what to wear and how to wear it.
What do men have? An occasional blurb in a magazine on how to tie a Windsor knot or work a suit like George Clooney. Almost nothing that is directly relevant or useful to the everyday man.
What role do marketing staff play in making this easier for men? What makes it difficult right now? Is it a problem of not having the right information or not having enough choice?
There is plenty of choice out there in terms of clothing, shoes and personal care products for men–and a dearth of practical information on how to select and use them.
Since most male consumers have a deficit of knowledge in this arena, they tend to buy by default, reaching for those items they’ve “always worn” are “comfortable,” or “look kind of cool, I guess.” Hence, there are far too many smart and dignified males out there practically living in T-shirts, hoodies, sneakers and jeans. As a gal who loves a nicely dressed man, I happen to think it’s a darn shame.
Are men given mixed signals in the media messaging for men’s brands? Can they rely on outside perceptions in media to make strong choices about personal styling and branding?
No. The message of many men’s brands is clear: image. I understand the utility of such a message when it comes to a brand like Abercrombie & Fitch, which sells to teens and young adult males access to the fantasy of being a leanly muscular, square-jawed dude draped with bikini-topped lasses.
When it comes to adult males, however, there needs to be more substance-based media messaging coming from men’s brands. A bit of image, of sizzle, is nice, but I believe men would appreciate having the fog lifted, or at least thinned a bit, when it comes to choosing their garment and grooming products. The original Dockers messaging is a classic for a reason. The messaging clearly and quickly communicated that here are these pants that will look and feel good, are accessible in terms of price and worn by many other completely respectable men in your town.
Dove’s new line of men’s personal care products, Men+Care, smartly takes a substance-based approach. The tagline is “Be comfortable in your own skin” and the messaging features unfussy self-care information and men that are accessible and good-guy solid.
What are the aims and goals of men choosing in this market?
Men wish to purchase quality items that will optimize their overall look, and at a fair price. It’s that simple. There is far less fantasy involved in men’s grooming and style choices than there is in women’s. For most women, a purse is not just a purse; it’s the projection of a lifestyle.
There is also a growing want among men to differentiate themselves from other men, albeit safely. A desire to reveal something unique about who they are in an increasingly tech-crammed and walls-up world. Plus, these days there is a certain utility in using our presentation to cut to the chase about who we really are, especially since we need to cognitively process more data than ever.
What would you change in the marketing of men’s products to men?
Make the marketing more substance-based and informative. Men want it, they can handle it and they will benefit greatly from it. Call me a simpleton, but when you look your most attractive and authentic, you can’t help but feel better, and of course you perform better. The companies that help men get there in their everyday lives, and in a cost-effective way, will reap many rewards for doing so.
I read recently that the Old Spice campaign was really targeting women friends of men, or girlfriends. Why do you think they were were doing this, and what does it say about the branding strategies that agencies choose to get men to shop for things that men need?
Old Spice is sagely targeting women because they provide a great service to men choosing in this market–they reduce or eliminate indecision. Women do this by either aiding purchases or making the purchases directly. I had lunch today with a male friend, a bachelor who is a smart and successful professional also known for being pretty adrift on the style front. Droopy khakis, tent-sized shirts and scuffed sensible shoes are the norm. He will tell you himself that he has no idea what to buy when he goes to clothing stores. Not knowing what to do, by the way, is not a welcome feeling for most men, hence their widespread lack of enthusiasm for shopping. Today he looked quite dapper, and in a thoroughly fitted yet at-ease way. No surprise, it turns out the bachelor has a new lady in his life. Judging by the volume of clothing and accessories she has purchased for him, and the care she has taken in selecting them, it’s serious.